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Gmadden57 wrote:
Dirrtybird wrote:

You do know that anything you post on the internet is free to use by anyone right? Unless you own the rights to it, like a trademark or it is copyrighted, anyone can take your ideas, pictures, videos and use them. It has nothing to do with legal matters and the worry that EA could be sued. They are interacting with the community because they love MMA and it is a great community builder. They even have live chats with guest fighters on almost every PPV event. You get to talk to them and ask them questions to the devs and the fighters. Again it has nothing to do with legal matters.

The engine they are using is a heavily modified version on the original FNR4 engine. It isn't a direct rip. They are using that engine as a foundation and building on top of it making almost a new engine. The devs have said this and even Peter Moore has said this.

How is this game "piggybacking" off of Undisputed's "success". This game have been in the works for over 2 years now. I could understand if they just started the project right after Undisputed came out and it took 3 years to make but EA has been working on this for over 2 years. I don't see how that is "piggybacking". Also Undisputed was initially a huge success but the end result was a huge failure. They have pushed more customers away for the next installment. This game has so many problems.

All the proof points that they are making this for the MMA fans.

Here's everything wrong with your post:

1. You do not lose the right to your intellectual properties once they go on the internet, NO ONE can use your original ideas or creations WITH OUT YOUR CONSENT!
2. It absolutely IS a legal matter, and I know what I'm talking about here, as one of my guild mates in WoW actually had Blizzard contact him regarding the use of some of his suggestions, and guess what, they sent him LEGAL DOCUMENTS which gave Blizzard permission to use those suggestions.
3. They are only able to interact because the game is still in development, and no one could legally prove that EA was using the community's ideas without their permission.
4. Two years of development does not mean a god damn thing, hell, Starcraft 2 has been in development for nearly 7 years. "Development", can mean something as simple as brainstorming ideas or fiddling around with character models. You also have to consider how EA treated Dana White when he approached them, which makes the "two years in development" slide more into the "fiddle around and see how THQ's game does" category.
5. Prove they didn't directly rip the engine from FNR4, you can't, because all you have are the words of someone at a company which told Dana White that MMA wouldn't sell.
6. If you don't believe that EA isn't piggybacking off of Undisputed success, you're an ignorant EA fanboy. They didn't want to make a game with the biggest MMA promotion out there, but as soon a a game featuring the UFC found massive success, they did. Hmm, you don't need to be Einstein to see what happened there.
7. All you have are some pretty little screen shots, opinions of some folks in the media, and a short little pre-rendered video. I'd wait slightly longer before singing the praise of a game still in development. For that matter, go familiarize yourself with a fellow named Peter Molyneux; maybe then you'll learn that talking heads often promise FAR more than they can actually deliver.

Are you really serious? Here is everything wrong with your post and it is a lot since you are basing most of your arguments on unproven statements and silly theories.

1) If it is your intellectual property then that means it is copyrighted or trademarked. Which i said they can not take. Anything else is free to use by anyone. You are posting something on an open and free forum.

2) Really? The Pope sent me a post card from the Vatican wondering how I was doing...

3) Devs can post after release on the forums too. It has nothing to do with a legal matter. Again, anything you post on the internet is open domain.

4) You are going by the words of a man who is notorious for outlandish outbursts and temper tantrums. He says a lot of things and for you to blindly follow him is pretty funny. Also maybe you do not know how the game industry works but development means that they have a financial backing. The game was in pre-production. Usually when concept art, ideas are hammered out, the engine is being built, and can take a year or two. I doubt EA is going to spend a lot of money for people to sit around and watch how another game is doing.

5) Again basing your argument on a man who blows everything out of proportion and says things like "Fedor is the best" then when Fedor doesn't want to sign with him he says "Nobody gives a **** about Fedor!". Wow really? That is the man you are going to base your argument after. Also why is a company going to lie to the press about an engine only for the game to come out and prove that they are wrong? Anything they tell to the press needs to be correct or they are going to get really bad press when the game comes out. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?

6) Again, two years in development. Its ok that you are a UFC/THQ fanboy/EA hater and need to validate your reasons with a ridiculous claim like EA piggybacking off of THQ even tho that it has been proven this game has been in the works for a while now. Also knowing UFC and how they work, they probably didn't want to have any other promotions in the EA game and that is probably why EA turned them down to start with.

7) Pre-rendered video? That was actual live in game footage because the press has seen it as well. One it says so at the bottom and two they cant call it in game footage and have it as pre-rendered. That is called false advertising and is illegal. Also I am very familiar with Peter Molyneux. Amazing guy actually and insanely smart because every single game he puts out does exceptionally well and is very innovative. Funny enough you mentioned him because he used to be the VP of EA back in the day.

Listen, i know you want to bash EA/be an Undisputed fanboy and seem like you are following a trend but your arguments are getting pretty bad now. You are making basing your arguments on things that are not factual and have never been proven.

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you know why the only reason undisputed sold in the 1st place is just because of the ufc name is in it and because everyone thought it was going to be diffrent game. who in hear had high expections of the game before it came out? and i mean honset opinions not opinions after u have seen the problesms with the game.

because really the way i expected it was to be modified versions of the old ufc games. i thought that we would be able to have multiple fighting styles instead of just one strike style and one grapple style.

and another reason why undisputed sold so much is because there was no other mma games out there at all so therefore why not expect for it to sell so much when they didnt have competition at the time it came out. like take nba games for an example there is live and 2k in competition with each other just it makes it hard for you to choose which game you would want to buy when they both are basketball with the exact same players. the only thing that could change how they play is gameplay and features and detail to catch the eye of its consumers.

other opinions i was expectin from ufc before it came out was i thought there was going to be online camps. i thought pride fc was going to be a part of the game as well since ufc owns pride. i also thought that when i played the game that i was going to feel like im actually playing as some of my favorite fighters. but when i actually played it and owned it i started to get a little disapointed when i noticed little flaws as they came such as being able to be too dominate ive had several people quit on me or send me messages talkin **** just because of how easy i beat them or they try saying oh ur so boring u do the same thing over and over. well do too lack of what were able to do with our fighters is what causes such styles.

also career mode i was expecting to be something amazing just because of how amazing wwe games are and how fun but no ufc is just reptitive and boring and also kind of a waiste because anyone can make a super caf through career mode but wats the point of making a great fighter when people online are too afraid to fight ur fighter just because of how high his stats are. and all of this is too the high unbalance with stats. and also i think that we should be able to make a fighter with all stats up outside of career mode just for fun but unsuseable for online play.

i also think some fighters were a little underated with their stats. there isnt much that i can say that was done right with the game. and wat does it matter if mma is going to be like fightnight but on a mma basis ea owns fightnight
id rather see them use their own concept then to steal the same exact concept as undisputed's game that'd be ****.

see if undisputed borrowed features from wwe smackdown vs raw then i wouldnt mind at all long as it betters the game and + thq owns it so why not. dont pole joc on a game for what u know or dont know about a game thats st8 lame.

but for all of those that are on undisputed's sack and wont get off it tell me what it is that makes undisputed so amazing even with its flaws. im just telling it like it is so that THQ will step they game up and get off the lazy bs tip & make a great game so history doesnt repeat itself because if it does then ill be pissed on the real. and same goes for EA MMA if they dont live up to their word or to the hype then wtf is either company making games for. so Undisputed 2010 & EA MMA better have great games and give us consumers what we want out of these games.

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UFC 2010-Player Match Record: [424W 144 L]

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HW:(Alistair Overeem, Jr. Dos Santos, Gilbet Yvel, Shane Carwain,)
LHW:(Rampage Jackson, Thiago Silva, Jon Jones, Lyoto Machida, Renato Sobral, Gegard Mousasi, )
MM:(Wanderlei Silva, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, Melvin Manhoef, Cung Lee, Royce Gracie, Dan Henderson, Alessio Sakara)
WW:(Thiago Alves, Josh Koshcheck, ,Nick Diaz, Marius Zaromskis, John Howard)
LW:(Joe Stevenson, Nate Diaz, Shinya Aoki, Ben Henderson. Genki Sudo)
FW:(Jose Aldo, Mike Brown, Joe Soto, Urijah Faber)
BW:(Mike Easton, Dominick Cruz, Antonio Banuelos)
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i voice my opinions and ideas on both sites of hope to see results in gameplay.
im a little ify though about undisputed's next installment
just because it doesnt seem like they will be ready next year until later in 2010 november or december but who knows maybe they will have it ready around may again or maybe around summer. i just find it a little weird that this game has been out for 6 months and their new game was already in progess and yet there is not one piece of info about the game. not even roster info. i hope they realese something here soon or atleast around january or febuary and also hope there is plenty of dlc because thats where alot of games mess up at and thats their dlc like undisputed did they shafted all of us on that and if anyone saw when the 2 fighter dlc was avaliable that it at 1st said download this free roster update which wasnt true because they wanted money for them so about a day later i say they changed it to what it says now.. dont get me wrong though i still play ufc from time to but not fully satisfied. it could be fun for me but for others they just get mad from losing so much. im too dominant on that damn game th e only way to beat me is with a CAF WITH 115 or less submission offense
and high strenght and cardio which kinda **** if u ask me cuz if they have 100 or less strength and atleast 80 or less cardio and then high sub offense/deffense then u cant beat them in a submission struggle whether it is technical or brute escape it wont work and actaully kind of cheat like.

who in here is satisfied with certain features of gameplay such as grapple blocking with unreal looking animation struggle or staisfied with the balance factor of the game? or satisfied that u cant dodge a punch or kick and all u can do is block and wait for ur opponent to quit attacking same situation with complete dominance of ground control forcing u to take damage because you know that ur opponent is looking for a reversal to gain a more advantage position such as mount from side control. or people that sub spam till ur stamina is low enough to submit u? i know all of the styles in the game that u can use to beat someone and make them not want to play the game anymore.

these are all know facts and u cant deny them. a fight in ufc can end in fashion such as these.
1.being able to spam punches & kicks that cant be stopped
2.being able to spam submissions
3.clinch control
4.being slamed repeatedly till in rocked state then tko'd from punches or knees depending on position
5.stick huggin and reating any ground postion . example side control knees and hammerfist to the head then more grapple blocking and repeat process in hope of ur opponent will try to standup meaning that u will get the mount if u do things right or u could just hold someone in one postion to where they cant stand up and just punish them till rocked so that u can tease them and keep on puting them in rocked state then letting them stand up then keep dropping them with a body punch or kick then just stan there and taunt or hover over them for the tko then let them back up instead of endingit therefore pissing ur opponent off and make them give up or turn off their game or put the controller down and let u beat them or after u win u get a file complaint or bad player review cuz of how u fought against them. poor sport biyatch is wat i say bout ppl like that. see thats one of the biggest problems about undisputed and that is balance cuz it does make it boring to be able to dominante ppl like that itll make u get tired of winning or losing that way.
6.decision
7.ko
8.tko
9. someone pressing start and choosing give up
10. connection lost
11. ethernet cord intentionally pulled because of how mad they got about losing or simply turning the game off or resetting system.

GT:(Treylegacy30)

UFC 2010-Player Match Record: [424W 144 L]

Camp:{Kingz Of Tha Cage}

NGO Clicc

HW:(Alistair Overeem, Jr. Dos Santos, Gilbet Yvel, Shane Carwain,)
LHW:(Rampage Jackson, Thiago Silva, Jon Jones, Lyoto Machida, Renato Sobral, Gegard Mousasi, )
MM:(Wanderlei Silva, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, Melvin Manhoef, Cung Lee, Royce Gracie, Dan Henderson, Alessio Sakara)
WW:(Thiago Alves, Josh Koshcheck, ,Nick Diaz, Marius Zaromskis, John Howard)
LW:(Joe Stevenson, Nate Diaz, Shinya Aoki, Ben Henderson. Genki Sudo)
FW:(Jose Aldo, Mike Brown, Joe Soto, Urijah Faber)
BW:(Mike Easton, Dominick Cruz, Antonio Banuelos)
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well i will buy EA MMA but will also get UFC2010 and for this reason.
alot of you think ea are going to listen to what is being said and fix everything, i doubt that they will have maybe fixed some things but give it a few weeks after release and poeple will be finding ways to cheat again happens all the time. EA will bring out 1 maybe 2 patches and then drop it like a bad smell while the follow where the next game is.

I have been playing online since 14k modem and back in the day when EA were trading still under electronic arts and have bought hundreds of EA titles up until a few years ago were i now just download them and for this reason, EA drop games how many EA games after a few months do EA issues new patches not many or none.

all its gonna be is another MMA game with the same or diff issues for players to **** about.

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Northstorm wrote:

all its gonna be is another MMA game with the same or diff issues for players to **** about.

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Quote:

In fact, they were taking diligent notes about the successes and failures of THQ’s product, and directly fed that into the development of their game.

http://www.fightlinker.com/the-deets-on-eas-mma-game.mma
New issues to **** about!

But I get your point. Theres always the question about how the aftersale support will be. But lets put it this way, EA can never be any worse at it than THQ is currently doing. Auto-win.

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that is true that its another mma game but its still not the same style thats like saying mortal kombat and street fighter are the same exact game which is no where near true
or saying that undisputed is the same game as the old ufc games which we all kno isnt true.
but i highly doubt that they will have the same problems though the only thing i see that will have a problem is ppl complaining about spammers maybe since ppl did with fightnight. either way im just hoping for a new experince with both games. like i said before no game is perfect.
and mma's game has already given us cage physics which is one thing everybody wanted and also gave us rings to fight in. other then that besides character indivuality and head movement and better block system i dont see much else that they have gave us that most fans want.

GT:(Treylegacy30)

UFC 2010-Player Match Record: [424W 144 L]

Camp:{Kingz Of Tha Cage}

NGO Clicc

HW:(Alistair Overeem, Jr. Dos Santos, Gilbet Yvel, Shane Carwain,)
LHW:(Rampage Jackson, Thiago Silva, Jon Jones, Lyoto Machida, Renato Sobral, Gegard Mousasi, )
MM:(Wanderlei Silva, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, Melvin Manhoef, Cung Lee, Royce Gracie, Dan Henderson, Alessio Sakara)
WW:(Thiago Alves, Josh Koshcheck, ,Nick Diaz, Marius Zaromskis, John Howard)
LW:(Joe Stevenson, Nate Diaz, Shinya Aoki, Ben Henderson. Genki Sudo)
FW:(Jose Aldo, Mike Brown, Joe Soto, Urijah Faber)
BW:(Mike Easton, Dominick Cruz, Antonio Banuelos)
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I'm going to state this as simply as I can; Dirtybird, you are unintelligent buffoon.

Everything I stated is absolutely true, the fact that you're ignorant, unintelligent, and/or naive does not change that. Let me revisit what I said:

1. You're a fuc.king idiot if you actually believe that once something is placed on the internet it becomes the property of all. You still retain the right to your original ideas and creations, and no one can use them for monetary gain without your permission, regardless of whether they are trademarked, copyrighted, etc. If an idea or creation can be appropriated to a single person, then it is protected under intellectual property laws. Here's a REALLY obvious example: suppose you put up an original drawing on facebook, and all of a sudden it ends up in say a Pepsi ad. It may not be copyrighted, but you can sure as hell sue them for using your creative property for financial gain without your permission.

2. Once again, it IS a legal matter, which is why devs NEVER, and I mean NEVER, directly comment on suggestions for a game which has been released. Let me give you an example: suppose I suggest that I would like to see Kangaroos as playable fighters in Undisputed, a THQ dev responds: "oh, that'd be really cool, we should look into it". Fast forward to the next patch, and guess what, there are playable Kangaroos and THQ sells 2 million more copies of the game because everyone wants to fight as a kangaroo. Now, because a dev DIRECTLY commented on the suggestion, and it was later implemented, I could sue them, because I can nearly invariably prove that they made a large profit off of one of my unique ideas, without gaining my permission to use it.

3. The reason Devs can post before it is released, is because it cannot be proven that a suggestion which was made, was not already in development. However, after it is released, it becomes quite evident what is and isn't in the game, and commenting on unique suggestions could prove to be detrimental (like I stated above).

4. Are you really so naive as to think that after EA shot down the largest and most profitable MMA promotion in the world, that they went full bore into making an MMA game? No, they fiddled around with FNR4's engine and waited, any other action would be ludicrous and a waste of time and money.

5. The engine is ripped from FNR4, it's not that hard of a concept.

6. Once again, you would have to be insanely foolish to believe that in this economic climate, in which even massive publishers like EA are taking hits, they would just go out on a limb and make an MMA game after the complete and utter lack of success the previous UFC games had.

7. If you knew how to read, you would understand what I was saying: I said the only things YOU, once again YOU!!!!!!!!! have to base YOUR!!!!!! opinions off of are a pre-rendered video, some opinions of people in the media, and some pretty little pictures. See, it's called comprehension, when I say YOU, I mean YOU the reader and not the press folks. I never once mentioned the demo, either.

Keep on drinking that Kool-aid, and give me some more ways to make you look foolish. C'mon now, I love this.

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Gmadden57 wrote:

I'm going to state this as simply as I can; Dirtybird, you are unintelligent buffoon.

Everything I stated is absolutely true, the fact that you're ignorant, unintelligent, and/or naive does not change that. Let me revisit what I said:

1. You're a fuc.king idiot if you actually believe that once something is placed on the internet it becomes the property of all. You still retain the right to your original ideas and creations, and no one can use them for monetary gain without your permission, regardless of whether they are trademarked, copyrighted, etc. If an idea or creation can be appropriated to a single person, then it is protected under intellectual property laws. Here's a REALLY obvious example: suppose you put up an original drawing on facebook, and all of a sudden it ends up in say a Pepsi ad. It may not be copyrighted, but you can sure as hell sue them for using your creative property for financial gain without your permission.

2. Once again, it IS a legal matter, which is why devs NEVER, and I mean NEVER, directly comment on suggestions for a game which has been released. Let me give you an example: suppose I suggest that I would like to see Kangaroos as playable fighters in Undisputed, a THQ dev responds: "oh, that'd be really cool, we should look into it". Fast forward to the next patch, and guess what, there are playable Kangaroos and THQ sells 2 million more copies of the game because everyone wants to fight as a kangaroo. Now, because a dev DIRECTLY commented on the suggestion, and it was later implemented, I could sue them, because I can nearly invariably prove that they made a large profit off of one of my unique ideas, without gaining my permission to use it.

3. The reason Devs can post before it is released, is because it cannot be proven that a suggestion which was made, was not already in development. However, after it is released, it becomes quite evident what is and isn't in the game, and commenting on unique suggestions could prove to be detrimental (like I stated above).

4. Are you really so naive as to think that after EA shot down the largest and most profitable MMA promotion in the world, that they went full bore into making an MMA game? No, they fiddled around with FNR4's engine and waited, any other action would be ludicrous and a waste of time and money.

5. The engine is ripped from FNR4, it's not that hard of a concept.

6. Once again, you would have to be insanely foolish to believe that in this economic climate, in which even massive publishers like EA are taking hits, they would just go out on a limb and make an MMA game after the complete and utter lack of success the previous UFC games had.

7. If you knew how to read, you would understand what I was saying: I said the only things YOU, once again YOU!!!!!!!!! have to base YOUR!!!!!! opinions off of are a pre-rendered video, some opinions of people in the media, and some pretty little pictures. See, it's called comprehension, when I say YOU, I mean YOU the reader and not the press folks. I never once mentioned the demo, either.

Keep on drinking that Kool-aid, and give me some more ways to make you look foolish. C'mon now, I love this.

Here it is from the copyright official website. http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

How do I protect my idea?
Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something. You may express your ideas in writing or drawings and claim copyright in your description, but be aware that copyright will not protect the idea itself as revealed in your written or artistic work.

Right there for you from the official website. Once again i provide fact. Works of art are a different matter and even then not all fall under copyright laws. Thats why when ever you submit a photo on facebook or another social networking site you have to agree to their terms because you are signing away your rights. Also the same with Youtube. Any video you submit to Youtube is public domain and you lose your rights once posted. You are agreeing to post this to a public domain.

That makes your arguements of 2 and 3 null and void.

On to 4. Once again you are basing your argument off of something that is hypothetical. Show me where EA told Dana White "MMA isn't a real sport and we want nothing to do with that game" that isn't a quote from Dana White. Show me where EA said that.

5. Once again basing your argument on a theory. The basis of the engine is FNR4 but they have heavily modified it. The press has seen it and they have been working with other devs from EA to add things to this hybrid engine. This is all written down and shown to the press. That is fact. Keep on thinking your unproven "theory"

6. Once again you have no proof behind what you say other than your little theories. The game has been in development for over 2 years now! This has been proven!

7. Its ok little boy, when you grow up you will understand. All of these things are fact that have been put out. The game looks amazing and way better then Undisputed. It is perfectly alright to say how great the game is because the actual in game footage(which you have once again no evidence that it is pre-rendered other then your ****ation) that the press saw and the millions of people have seen on commercial looks great.

Its ok if you don't post after this. I would be pretty embarrassed to if i just got my ass handed to me. Please prove me wrong with facts not some random theory bull****.

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Gmadden57 you should walk away while you still have some pride left.....

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